Thursday, April 30, 2009

The Nut Graph:民联招揽蔡细历


(八打灵再也30日讯)马华署理总会长拿督斯里蔡细历首度公开承认,民联正极力招揽他过档。 

他说,自他在2008年1月辞官以来,就有人多番献议他过档,惟他心里一再拒绝跳槽的想法。

由于网上不断传出蔡细历或离开马华和国阵的消息,令蔡氏跳槽的传言盛嚣尘上。不过,这位前卫长迄今还未有任何决定。然而,他也毫不忌讳公开畅谈。

蔡细历接受一家网络媒体The Nut Graph访问时直言不讳:“确实有人献议我跳槽。我无需否认,因为事情迟早会曝光。”

他说,对方也同时献议他的儿子蔡智勇(拉美士国会议员)退出马华,一同过档。

“没错,现有有许多选择,而离开马华是其中一项。许多人曾私下与我会面,也有许多人要求我说服我儿子辞去国会议员一职以制造补选,尤其是柔佛州,这个长久以来都被公认为国阵堡垒的地区,那或许会是一个很好的试金石。”

他也拒绝透露哪个政党曾接触他,只表示选择非常有限。

转捩点?

尽管受光碟事件影响,蔡细历要比与他谈判的对手更顽强。他不选择淡出政治,而且始终没有被遗忘。相反的,他去年7月在马华巴株峇辖区会改选中不战而胜,并重新回到政治舞台。

接着,在10月的马华中央党选,蔡细历击败当时的马华总秘书拿督斯里黄家泉当选署理总会长,再次印证蔡氏过人的魅力和才华获得肯定。虽然蔡细历已重返马华政治核心,但却与党内老大互不咬弦,两人不和日渐白热化,因此其他政盟至今仍不懈地向他招手,极力游说过档。

为光碟事件负荆请罪后欲重新出发的蔡细历,却被马华老大翁诗杰批评有道德污点。导致两人在党选期间互相口诛笔伐。

当新任总会长翁诗杰把蔡细历拒于柔佛州联委门外,而只委任后者为政府政策监督局主任,更加深了蔡氏遭彻底边缘化的说法。

翁诗杰虽然一再否认排挤蔡细历,现任署理总会长认为他在马华的角色已被削夺。身为政府政策监督局主任他必须直言批判,可惜却不被接纳。

“我愿意辞职。我的个性是,如果我无法将被授予的角色扮演好,我情愿,我也非常认真的考虑辞职求去。”

询及他什么时候讳会作出决定,蔡细历说,近来连串的补选使他继续与党同在,这也因为他对国阵的忠诚。

“这是我在过去20多年来奉献心力的政党。身为党的一员,当党需要我们贡献时,我就必须去做。在补选期间,我也扮演我的角色。如果我这样离开跳槽去,人家会认为我只是一个机会主义者。”

但明显的,而他也承认,自己已走到十字路口

“我不会因为不满或不高兴而跳槽,我也不认为我会这么做。”

记:请告诉我们你身为贵党政府政策监督局主任所扮演的角色。
蔡:你可以说我所扮演的角色是非常有限。有限指的是,尽管身为第二大成员党的第二号人物,但我不担任任何政府职务。

身为政府政策监督局主任,我在首三个月非常投入的工作,之后我却发现,这对其他人造成困扰,甚至有人因此对我不表和善,他们认为我这么做是为了自己的议程,所以我想,如果社会喜欢这样,不要别人有批判精神,那么我就须接受我应该淡出的现实。

那么,现在该局的运作如何?
我必须承认该局在过去的四个月来并没有运作。

你愿意公开告诉这件事?
噢,当然可以,我甚至愿意辞职。我的个性是,如果我无法将被授予的角色扮演好,我情愿,我也非常认真的考虑辞职求去。

在您看来,该局是否有实在的功用?
如果人们能以开明的思维去接受,该局确实有它的角色和发挥空间。但问题是,当我一开口,人们都说你有个人议程。

所以问题在于你在被党内人士观察。
是的,我不想用尽一生去对抗这种理解,那太无谓了。

除此之外,自中选为署理总会长之后,您觉得如何?
非常闲空。我只需要出席会长理事会及中委会会议。迄今,没有人向我咨询任何事情。

这让您有何感受?
我不感到沮丧何困扰。我觉得当人家委任你一个“没有角色的角色”时,你就做好“没有角色可演”的角色啦。

是否有限制加诸在你身上?
没有限制,但所有事都非常微妙。我举个例子:当政府决定在指定的经济领域征收双倍外劳人头税时,您不觉得这件事应该由政府政策监督局处理吗?结果会长理事会议决将它交给公共投诉局处理。我不会为了争取的任务而与他们争执。

另一个案例是, 我和我的儿子(智勇)在收购大道的建议书上竭力协作,会长理事会也邀请智勇与会为理事会成员讲解。过后我在想,身为政策监督局主任,我应该会被委予此任研拟建议书。结果不是,党最终指派其他人接手。所以在原则上,我并无法执行为民请愿的工作,如果人家以非常狡黠及聪明的方法多方阻拦,以便我无法正常的执行任务,那就让它去吧。

由于所发生的种种事故,网上传言您将离开马华。
现有许多选项,而离开马华是其中一个,这的确是事实,许多人在私下与我会面,也有许多人要我说服我的儿子辞去国会议员以制造一场补选,尤其是柔佛州,这个长久以来都被公认为国阵堡垒的地区,那或许会是一个很好的试金石。

您对这些建议有何反应?
我加入马华接近25年,我必须深思熟虑才能作最终的决定。至于我的儿子,我永远让他自行做主,因为有人告诉他,无论他如何勤政爱民,在来届补选都可能不获点名。

如果您选择离开,您会选择加入哪个政党?
我还没有认真的考虑过这个问题,但选择其实并不多。哪一个政党最吸引您?我想都大同小异。当今,除了公正党,就是行动党。

如果你退党,会有多少人会跟随您的脚步?
不同人有不同想法。有人认为你不该带着一大票人离去。人们相信有些人会想要离去,而有些人会继续留下来以破坏党的机关。你明白政党政治的游戏规律吗?你一旦离开党,你在党内的影响将消失贻尽,所以你必须让一些人继续留守后方,那么当你到那里时才能有一息相连。

这项献议提出多久了?
噢,很久了,在光碟事件及我获选为署理总会长之后,都有人接触我,近来更甚。

为何近来更甚?
或许他们认为我会因为不满而跳槽。然而,我绝不会因为不满或不高兴而跳槽,我也不认为我会这么做,除非我发觉已无具有意义的角色供我扮演,我才会跳槽。

那已经发生了吗?
我可以看到已经逐渐成型。

所以您会继续等它到达一定的顶限?
那是一个任何人所能忍耐的极限。

现在已到什么程度?
我不知道,它不像世卫组织的传染病扩散指标,有第一级到第六级。

您说有反对党接触您?
是的,的确。

您能告诉我们是谁吗?
不,我不会指名道姓,那是在彼此互信的原则下进行的。人们都知道我是守诺及绝不出卖人。

您对此事非常公开,您是否想传达某些信息
我一向都这么坦荡,处理个人生活也如此。

连总会长也知道您可能会离开马华?
我不知道。

您和他关系如何?
我们有“开会”的关系,工作上的关系,仅此而已。我们的讨论建立在“需要”的基础上,在会议上我也只在需要时才作声,我不是善于阿谀奉承的人,主动讨好及涂脂抹粉不是我的个性。不,我不在行。

您何时会对是否退党作出决定?
当时机合适。

有什么必须的因素?
噢,太多了。其中一个是,如果我感觉到自己已无法为党作出有意义的贡献时,为何我还要枯坐暖席?

但是就目前看来,您已是在枯坐暖席了。
那是因为在补选期间我必些扮演某些角色。身为党的一员,当党需要我们贡献时,我就必须去做。过去有那么多场补选,如果我跳槽,人家会认为我只是一个机会主义者。

那么,您会在本南地补选协助国阵.....
应该这么说,如果有补选,我至少不该做任何滋扰国阵的事。

听起来,您仍然忠于国阵,却有意过户另一边。
确实有人献议我跳槽,我不会否认,因为在不久的将来,事情将会浮上台面。

所以您在考量....
这是我在过去20多年来奉献心力的政党,就像是一个婚姻,有些婚姻无法维持25年。自1985开始,我已是峇株吧辖的区会主席。您会为了没有可扮演的角色而离开马华及国阵?当你来到一个十字路口,你必须决定向左走、向右走,或者趋直向前。

你若有退党的决定,是纯粹因你个人或与国阵有关?
那不是我一个人的事,我能有多少斤两?也许在党和国阵里面,有人会说“终于打发这个眼中钉”。他们可能认为我是一个包袱,正如某些马华中人所想的。去年党选后,一个名为马华廉正监督小组的组织就曾在我中选后,力促我下台了。

如果您选择离开,是否表示您认为自己在别处能以更有效身份职位继续服务社会呢?
我从1980年起一路走来都是一名政治工作者,至今我依然热衷于服务。如果我无法找到有意义的角色,我便得另行寻找不同的平台,就这么简单。

不是因为你被边缘化?
不。当我胜选重回党的政治舞台,我从未说过我要当部长,那只是中文报章的炒作。我只说无论我在名单内与否,我要总会长坦诚相告,因为我向来坦诚待人。



26 comments:

水兴浪 Gavin Tee said...

something new, please do keep us inform, gavin

SeeHoN said...

政策监督局四个月来竟然什么都没做?哈哈。。。政府所有政策都太好了?

Cindy said...

SeeHon,

监督局4个月没有操作不出奇, 你忘了尊敬的总的大头翁下令什么事都要会长理事会什么会批准才可以讲吗? 可是我们很少听到马华开这些什么会咯。

就是说你生病要和他们那准证看医生,拿到准证时可能已经死人了。

蔡细厉的局可能永远都不能操作了。

KIMHO8 said...

No matter it is true or fake. As a rakyat, I do hope you will consider the offer as you said. Make a difference for you, your family and the people. Life is short, just give a chance or a try without regrets.

Ong cannot make the change for the people. Why don't you do it for us, the people please?

Gemini said...

KIMKO8,

What you said is 100% correct. Ong cannot make the change for the people.
But, the people can change him!

hatta said...

蔡同志,
留得青山在,哪怕没柴烧,忍辱负重,青天就会出现了。

小明 said...

if you really want to go, you must prepare 2 things:

1) the main stream paper will shoot you up side down, thousand of bad words will come from your BN buddy.

2) police may want to invite you for tea again, they may charge you for the VCD case.

I am from Johore, fully support you pull out from MCA. And i think ONG TEA KEAT is happy to hear that also. If you really join pakatan, just follow where ONG TEA KEAT go for the next election. Contest him, let him loss like hell.

Kenneth said...

We must never condone leaders who are motivated by self-interest and exploit the organisation, or individuals who, having reached important positions through the support and sheer hard work of the members, then become arrogant and exploit their positions for personal gains.
To our MCA YBs, especially our Hon. President, Mr Ong Tee Keat, please note!

chchoo said...

MCA will not change or become better under Ong TK's leadership. In fact, MCA will become a burden to BN in the next GE.

Ousting Ong TK is an uphill battle because most of the MCA delegates who voted for him still hold on to their false hope.

We know you already have the answer and we cannot wait for you to reveal it. We are ready to quit because there is very little hope now with MCA.

KIMHO8 said...

I really hope you are not using this topic as a boycott to your brothers. Accomplish Your duty for the people. Why you worry to be criticise as a speculator??? As long as you are doing the right thing!!!e

Ting said...

In our times, the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, is increasingly confused and obscured. That's why it is essential to follow the examples of people like Dr Chua Soi Lek, Sdr Zaid Ibrahim & Sdr Lim Kit Siang who fearlessly speak out for truth.
To all our MCA leaders, please stop being empty vessels!

KIMHO8 said...

Did OTK seek the opinions from the people like us? How can he resolve rakyat problems? His look is too self-righteous. Can he just stop telling people about his wonderful dreams through the mainstream interview? What a great hypocrite, too sickening! Dr. Chua, you shouldn't suppress yourself anymore.

looes74 said...

Well Kim,
Look at the political situation very carefully, UMNO is under siege. It's just like the British during the early 20th century. Look impressively impregnable but however has real limited power. It's actually because of the goodwill of locals kept British in power for long.
UMNO only has 70 - 80 odd seats. Minus 10 of them from Sabah. They only got the most 70 seats. Actually, MCA & other BN political components have far more bargaining power than ever before. In actual fact, these component parties can even OUST out Najib as PM through vote of no confidence. Be it in BN AGM or parliament.
Well, these people needed a George Soros within BN to do a bull run. Just like the political situation in Sabah in 1994, it just take a few persons to bring down PBS.
Soi Lek is bidding his time here. Even Tsu Koon also bidding his time. See, it's better to be with the winning team. I don't see any guts from Tee Keat. I have been doing lotsa studies analysing 2008 GE. Most UMNO seats only has a majority of malay voters of 65%. Bukit Gantang is one example. See what happen! Johor too looks impregnable but very vulnerable. Even, Boo Cheng Hau, DAP Johore chairman saw that. Plenty of mixed seats even for UMNO folks. One stupid big slur from UMNO would send him packing.
That includes Muhyiddin himself.

People,
By the way, everybody including me got agenda. Even the Great Karpal also got agenda (No offence, Karpal! I respect as an esteemed politcina).
I believe Soi Lek knows that MCA under Tee Keat won't go far. In fact, MCA will be vanquished in a matter of time. Soi Lek was planning his political manouvring so when the shit really hit the fan, Soi Lek would still get important ministerial post.
Of course, not as good as top DAP echolen lah.....In this case, they have entrenched themselves too well within Pakatan Rakyat.
Lets see how events evolve

People,

Village Boy said...

What human beings can do is to make their level best efforts.
That is why we exert ourselves to the utmost in our current circumstances.
We carry out our duties seriously and conscientiously.
Neither praise nor blame can influence us.
Dr. Chua, stand up for your rights! We stand by you.

Mike said...

People is like water and MCA is like fish.

The water can live without the fish but can the fish live without the water?!

The answer is very obvious. Just visit OTK own blogs http://www.ongteekeat.net/, the survey results are obviously clear.

Even the birds also know which tree to choose to build a net.

As a season politician you should be able to feel the crying needs of the people. OTK either is too green or arrogant to do just that. Look at the West Port issue just keep talking and talking and talking… Same go for the taking of tolls highway private after the big hu ha ha,.. what is next

Ting said...

It is natural for people to consult with one another when they face difficulties and problems. For many people, this may be a good friend, and for others, their family.
But, I wonder if this is practised in MCA to deal with the crucial problems encountered by the party. Does the party leadership make an attempt to reach a consensus before a decision is taken on any important issue?

Sleepy Day said...

老蔡,走吧!
老總的狗已經放出來咬人了。
此處不留爺只有留爺處...
現在是你英雄造時勢的時候了
我們柔佛的兄弟已經準備好了...
我們出去開闢自己的江山

已經被公羽搞到要沉的船還有什麼好留戀的,他只會(專門)搞自己人的屁眼...

我們願意跟在你後面去開創歷史...

Village Boy said...

为你的难过而快乐的 是敌人
为你的快乐而快乐的 是朋友
为你的难过而难过的 
就是那些 该放进心里的人

Pak Pandil said...

don't waste your time in MCA under the leadership of OTK.....

Cindy said...

As expected, Dr Chua is blamed to have personal agenda over the issues.

Ong Tee Keat said Chua sould discuss internally if there is problem and MCA has platform for him.

What platform? As a bureau chief he cant even speak to press before getting greenlight from the stupid PC.

See, he even slapped his UMNO brother when he is told Hisham will call Chua.

This is the real him, a HERO we the chinese community used to support.

Ting said...

不管别人怎么评说,不在乎别人的眼光,问心无愧的做人,问心无愧的做事!

bluesky said...

Aiya work under OTK no hope la....

windcool said...

老蔡,
站在人民一方的永远都是对的。
不要死抱着快沉的船。
有远见的人会在船舱进水之前就决定离船,即使船上仍有些金银财宝。

LBP said...

BELOW IS THE WHAT THE CHINESE NEWSPAPER HEADLINES FOR TONIGHT - THE HYPOCRITE ONG TEE KEAT When asked by media about Dr. Chua's potential cross-over to Pakatan Rakyat, conveniently, Ong Tee Keat called Dr Chua's act as "having personal agenda", and "not free to meet Dr. Chua as he(OTK) has lots of other important stuff to do".....

WHAT AN IDIOTIC AND ARROGANT ANSWER from Ong Tee Keat - he is total irresponsible as a MCA President, no balls, no leadership at all - he is a shame for MCA, to the Chinese and to the Malaysians as a whole!!

bluesky said...

Shame MCA has this type of leader like OTK....

ahkhoo said...

老总的言语、举止、行动实在令人失望!目中无老蔡的态度+ 高高在上的行为,小弟为您打抱不平。蔡同志,是时侯离开老总棋下,寻找自己的另一片天空!重整当年的实力,继续为民服务!期待敢怒敢言的您可以在政途上再次发光发热!我们华人需要您!我们等您!

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