Wednesday, May 7, 2008

蔡细历:内部结盟,制衡巫统 Chua: BN non-Malay majority parties should close ranks

拿督斯理蔡细历医生文告

马华前副总会长拿督斯理蔡细历医生认为,马华可考虑和巫统及砂劳越土著保守联合党以外的12个国阵成员党结盟,以壮大和巫统谈判的力量。

他说,马华、民政、印度国大党等12个国阵成员党若连成一线,在谈判时比起目前个别的单薄力量,将能更有效地代表非马来选民,同时在国阵内部形成一股强而有力的制衡力量,争取与巫统平起平坐。

他指出,目前要马华与其他成员党合并还不是时候,但我们可以尝试与其他非马来人为主的成员党结盟,而巫统可以和砂劳越土著保守党结盟,以“两线制”来推进国阵的全民议程。

他进一步解释:“各成员党依然维持各自党性,基本上我们还是独立个体,但在会议桌上,我们是以两个阵线来进行讨论和谈判,确保结果对马来人和非马来人都是公平的。”

他今日在文告中指出,上述建议的概念旨于向成员党倡议更有效的合作方式,而不是要分裂国阵组织。

他也强调,这项建议并不会威胁马来主权,也不会分化国阵的势力,相反地能更公平和全面地照顾各族群的需求。


蔡细历认为,国阵目前共有14个成员党,除了巫统、马华、印度国大党和民政党,其他成员党规模较小,在现实生活里难于有效发挥他们的代表性和角色,对于一个政治联盟来说,若成员党的地位和权力不均悬殊太大是不健康的。

尽管选民在这次大选的票向跨种族,许多人认为种族政治将被瓦解,单元种族的政党也将逐渐消失,但他坚信单元种族政治还是有存在价值和意义。

“我也曾公开表达我的看法,族群为基的政党最终会否完全消失,目前定论还言之过早。只要宪法规定的马来特权还存在,包括语言、国家宗教、州务大臣必须由马来人或回教徒出任等,巫基政党如巫统的存在地位还是受到维护;同样的,只要华裔族群继续强调母语教育、宗教、神庙,华基政党的角色还不能被否决。”

他说,唯一不同的是,国阵成员党间的合作必须改变,要展现更多元化的作风和处事手法。所有成员党包括马华的斗争大原则,必须以全民利益为出发点。

在全国第12届大选,巫统和砂劳越土著保守联合党在国会共赢得93席,其他成员党的胜席总数为47席。

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English version (From The Sun)

by Kong See Hoh

Former MCA vice-president Datuk Seri Chua Soi Lek is of the view that the party should consider forging greater cooperation with other Barisan Nasional component parties, apart from Umno and Parti Pesaka Bumiputera Bersatu (PBB), to strengthen their bargaining power with Umno.

According to a report in Oriental Daily News yesterday, he said a front comprising the MCA, Gerakan, MIC and the rest of the 14 BN component parties will be more effective than any single one of them in coming to the negotiation table with Umno, to fight for equal status with Umno in the BN; and in acting as a formidable check and balance in the coalition.

Chua pointed out that although it was not yet time for the MCA to merge with other BN component parties, "we can try to form an alliance with other non-Malay majority parties, whereas Umno can forge another alliance with PBB, to provide a 'two-party system' within the BN to implement the coalition's agenda".
He further explained: "Component parties retain their individual identities, (as) basically we are still independent bodies, but at the negotiation table, talks and discussions will be between two fronts to ensure the outcome is fair to both Malays and non-Malays."

Making the suggestion in a press statement issued on Tuesday, the former health minister said it is aimed at forging more effective cooperation among BN component parties, and is not intended to break up the coalition.
He stressed that such an alliance would not threaten Ketuanan Melayu (Malay supremacy), nor weaken the BN. On the contrary, it would see to the needs of the various races equitably.

Chua said that aside from Umno, MCA, Gerakan and MIC, the 14 other BN component parties are smaller, and are in reality therefore less able to play their role. Too big a difference in position and power among components of a coalition is unhealthy, he said.

Although the voting trend in the March 8 general election had cut across racial lines, and despite the general belief that racial politics will wither away and race-based political parties eventually disappear, Chua is convinced that race-based politics is still relevant.

He said that for as long as the Chinese community continues to stress on mother tongue in education, on religion and places of worship, the role of Chinese-based political parties cannot be denied.

22 comments:

Lysendar said...

Dear Dr. Chua,

It won't be easy to achieve. It required a leader with charisma and blodness. On the other hand, all the parties must settle their own internal problem first. If not, it will be still the same.

Loh said...

It is an excellent idea, though it would be very difficult to achieve. UMNO would not agree to this, for a start, and there would be too much of bargaining among the non-UMNO BN groups. However, the journey of a thousand miles begains with the first step.

Before forming a grand alliance, a nucleus should be formed first. MCA and MIC should first merge with Gerakan to form a multi-racail party, with MCA and MIC quiting as political parties in the first place. This then becomes the mirror image of PKR.

The new Gerakan can stay with BN, or quit BN depending on UMNO's agreement to honour the original the terms in the so-called social contract. Indeed it is plausible to have NGerakan joining PKR in future governent as coalition government. Having 50 years experience as coalition party, NGerakan would realise its relevance if it is not a junior subsidiary of the large party.

MCA with its organisation would be able to undertake social and economic services for its members, without having to rely on government largees. It should demonstrate that corruption has no place in Malaysian society.

paulma said...

Please get rid of the two brothers before you talk about instituting changes in the party.

KIMHO8 said...

Lim Kit Siang, Lim Guan Eng,
Anwar Ibrahim, Tian Chua &
Raja Petra Kamaruddin,
都因正義和勇氣而遭遇到不公平的對待,
讓我這個平庸的中年家庭主婦都為他們掉下了
眼淚!

我們需要他們的力量來爭取人民的權力,這樣政府鐵腕強硬的力量才能被壓制。

從前的華人文化節日活動集會中,一盤人都是為了小便宜或看節目才出席,往往忘了在其中去把握和去珍惜彼此團結和熱情互動的機會。不管你是信仰什么宗教,民族團結精神對我們是非常重要的,特別是活在不是自己民族主導的國家中。

華人的自私自利與自負的行為,加上又怕輸又怕死,永遠只會向錢看,也是導致華人損失了本身人民的權力,更加不懂得團結力量的重要性,而且對政治莫不關心。等到夢醒時分,已是太遲了! 每當大選,最普遍的口頭禪就是“去投票? 不如投給自己更好!”或者“不要講這樣大聲,你不怕等下。。。?”

馬華與民族應該放下一切,加盟于人民民主行動黨,強大華人政黨的能量,這樣才有更大的力量來制衡巫統。

醒來吧! 站起來吧!該跑了吧!

KIMHO8 said...

至今都沒有看見稍微明顯的改革,只懂得濫權又照常實行不公正的司法,還是那班沒有正義又不務正業的警察,一間小小的白小也開不成,蕉賴王冠城路段死也不肯讓步,國會里答非所問的情景等等, 到底是誰在浪費國家的金錢與人力?可見他們的存在等于魔鬼在活動,三歲定八十,他們會改嗎? 好好笑吧!

馬華還要認賊作父? 那就好象一個癡情笨女人死心塌地的愛著一個壞男人,情愿為他賣淫也點頭愿意? 別相信他也會深愛著你,他最愛說: “聽真話,天真話,天真貨或天贈禍!
還是別講話,等下我就給你獎禍!”

我相信馬華黨員也非常清楚一切的來龍去脈,如果選擇了榮華富貴,別再當偽君子了!

virtualmystic said...

Dr.Chua. strangely enough I believe that you are speaking from your heart and only wihs for the betterment of society as a whole irregardless of race.....although you do speak more for the betterment of your own race,the Chinese. I guess this is in response and to counter UMNO's rhetoric on Ketuanan Melayu. Let me first tell you that I am myself classified as a Malay (though not a pure malay in fact).
Where am I going with this arguement? Firstly, althought I respect your call for equality as I belive it will benefit even the Malays who have been walking on crutchesall this while, why have yo unot voiced it out earlier?
Was it muted by UMNO?
If this is true and most Chinese believe it was, then why not LEAVE BN and free the Chinese from UMNO's choke hold?
Carry on the good work for the PEOPLE of Malaysia, not for any one party.

Prachai said...

Because the two sides are too clearly delineated by their racial makeup, this will just accentuate the racial nature of political issues. Malaysia's political scene is backward: where else on earth can you find membership of political parties are based on race and not ideology. If MCA still wants to be a Chinese-only party, its destiny must surely be in the dustbin of history.

Funniman1965 said...

Datuk Seri,

Do you realise that by forming an alliance to negotiate with Umno, it strengthens the Ketuanan Melayu concept? Here we are all talking and convincing ourselves that Ketuanan Melayu have to go, and there you are saying we have to negotiate.

You haven't even started to talk but you are already telling the whole world that Umno holds the other side of the power. And it is only perceived.

It is no better than the Orang Putih and the locals in the past when in real fact, there's no such authority.

Bad move, doc.

glokal said...

Just look at the figure: UMNO has 79 MP, MCA has only 15, PR has 82. MCA should play the role of king maker. What MCA lacks now is a visionary leader. Ong Ka Ting just looking at the past and think if MCA sounds like DAP, it can win back Chinese votes. The fact is that, what works in the past does not works on 8 of March. What works on 8 of March will not works on the next election. It used to be divide and conquer but now how do you divide? By race, by wealth, by religion? The issue we faced does not present itself so neatly and can not be easily isolated. UMNO will not reform, it just want to keep its comfort zone. Dato Najib is no better than Pak Lah, how can he lead BN to another victory? It is better to be a part of the government instead being the opposition. Does it really matter to MCA if the coalition is UMNO lead or PR lead?

Funniman1965 said...

Both white and black cat are the same. Anwar is no different from Hisamuddin. If you guys recall with all the anti Chinese rhetorics Anwar made when he was a student leader and youth leader, you will know his real character. And he is the one who changed the Education policy.

As long as Chinese are united and have good negotiation power and be king maker, I am one happy Chinese.
As I can see now, OKT is not The One.

Pls settle the Chinese squabbles first.

笑看风云 said...

DR. Chua,


" 修身, Æë¼Ò,治国......"

In my opinion for them to start

1) WE need quality leader
2) Then we need strong grass root with the same goal
3) we need support of the people whom are not member of any party or from different party who have the same vision and dream.

with the present DAP, PAS, PKR coalition. with Malay, Chinese, Indian or other races voter support and their present strong position as TUN mahathir has sound concern of their potential .

i think chances are slim for BN non-malay parties to close ranks.
Sarawak Progressive Democratic Party i don't think they are interested.

concentrate on

" 修身, Æë¼Ò"

Bill gate change the world with "window". - he make the people change

Now people want to change they slowly switch to "open source".

NEED ,TIMING & PEOPLE

MCA election is your near goal

SO...... best of luck!

Stay healthy! smile! :) for a better MALAYSIA.

CP Waterman said...

I agree with Kimho8. Be honest, almost half a century with/under UMNO, what image MCA has gained from the general Chinese public? UMNO's muted running dog!!!

The only way MCA can hope to change that BAD image is to come out from BN, either be an independent party or join force with Pakatan Rakyat.

Time is running out fast on MCA if it wants to stay relevant.

collosos said...

“The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing.” — William Paterson, founder of the Bank of England, 1694.
__________________________________

Mayer Anselm Rothschild, the great European Banker, once say: “Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws...”
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Abraham Lincoln nevertheless declared:

“I have two great enemies, the Southern army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. And of the two, the bankers are my greatest foe.”
_______________________________

“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.” — US President James Madison
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"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." — US President James A. Garfield
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“Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.” — Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940.
___________________________________

Automobile manufacturer Henry Ford said:

“If the people of the nation understood our banking and monetary system, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

Capitalism vs Socialism
Right-wing vs Left-wing
Yin vs Yang

Choose your path wisely.

So BN non-Malay majority parties should close ranks base on which path or which banner?

CK Loh said...

Dr. Chua,

Your ideas sound practical than what Ong Tee Keat suggest, be multi racial or be prepared to be obselete. Working closely with other non-BN components party will make BN stronger in surface.

But what majority Chinese want to hear is Ong Tee Keat view and most DAP leaders view. Enough time are given to MCA leaders that have thinking in the same line with you, strengthen MCA and 'negotiate' the best deal for the Chinese.

Respect your opinion on as long as Chinese want to learn their mother toungue in school, there is a place for ethnic base party. I agree, yet I would like you to see with this believe where does it lead the Chinese after 50 years of independence?

Better? As far as I concerned, before independence, Malay, Chinese and Indian is same level or the gap is not too vast as at today.

Where goes wrong?

On my opinion, because MCA leaders believe in 'negotiating'. Negotiate the best deal for the ethnic they represented, which is Chinese. And exactly, MCA leaders are not good negotiator.

They just not realised it, MCA leaders try to help, but does it help?


I agree with funniman1965 view.

You haven't even started to talk but you are already telling the whole world that Umno holds the other side of the power. How to negotiate and get the best deal for us?


Another example, in the New Politic interview, you praise UMNO by giving 4 seats to MCA, even though they lose big in election.

4 + 1 (SUPP) = 5 Ministers out of 27 Ministers

Is it reflect the percentage of our population breakdown? Yet, you give all praises to UMNO. Even Gerakan Chinese Minister place are not given to MCA or SUPP.


To be a good negotiator, you can't be too easy to be satisfied, and I think MCA leaders are. If they can negotiate and get 30 years renewal on the land lease, they will be very happy and be proud of themselves. And what Perak residents get after changing government?


This is exactly the mentality that prohibits MCA to go far, for the past 50 years, Malaysian Chinese status is going downwards.


We need a different type of politic method for Chinese. Enough is enough. If you think, this is not possible, UMNO won't agree, just let people like Ong Tee Kiat or DAP leaders to do it. Let them do it the multi-racial way.

The Malaysian don't mind they try it but fail, rather for the current MCA leaders that fail to try.


I quote you another examples, Perak DAP, want 8 of the 10 excos from DAP. Ridiculous isn't it? Perak populations are majority Malay above 50 percent. And what happen, they are not granted yet, they have 6 excos out of 10 excos, on top of having 2 speakers in the DUN, because they can't get 8 excos.

You see, if MCA is in the negotiation table, does you all think MCA can get 6 excos plus 2 speakers?

When UMNO told MCA, be realistic follow the actual population percentage and back off a bit, MCA agree.

But does MCA realise that if they can position themselves to be the kingmaker like what DAP did, without MCA, BN is nothing, isn't it give the best deal to the Chinese?

How? Then just let other people do it, there is signs other party can get better deal compare to MCA, so WHY MCA?


The best deal to the CHINESE, that most of us in this blog see is to urge MCA to join Pakatan?

Why?

Imagine, with DAP 28 seats, they can get so many first on the state governments, like first non-Malay speakers in Perak and Selangor, first Indian State Deputy Minister and others.

How about with DAP 28 plus MCA 15? With 43 seats and all the Chinese talents combine force, do you think we can 'negotiate' much much more?

It is not too far, if we say that if DAP + MCA merge, whoever parthner them will get the goverment. So, whoever that want to negotiate with DAP + MCA, they will give the best deals to them, regardless of Malaysian population breakdown.


Come on Dr. Chua, why you think MCA + other non-Malay BN will give the best deal to the Chinese?


I believe, and I think I have quite alot of people that agree to my opinion, base on what I read so far,

DAP + MCA is the Kingmaker.


If you really want to get the best deal for the Chinese but not you all leaders, work it out, a formula consist of DAP + MCA, although you might sacrifice some of your politic rank.

Which one is more important, your politic rank or the rakyat interest?

kasklf said...

mr chua, r u still married to your wife ?

Funniman1965 said...

Datuk,

Thank you, CK. Actually, there are 2 ways of attaining better negotiation power. One is a direct show of hands. MCA + DAP and I am sure rest of the smaller parties would hop in as time go by. The other is to show that all the Chinese irrgardless of their political aspirations and ideas are now talking and posed to be a future threat. Not written but a lingering threat.

Why did I first suggest that Chinese must be united and ask that MCA try to group with the clans, NGOs, trade associations, etc? Simple reason is that the reps in these groupings are very diverse and it spread across all political divides. What we need is a common denominator which is uniting the Chinese. We are talking about race, not parties.

If we Chinese don't help ourselves, who else can help us?

And forget about face. If there's no negotiation power, there cannot be any face left. Chinese has a saying "country" Guo Zia". If there's no country, there cannot have any home. (my pinyin is not good)

Datuk, after following your blog for for this short time, I still have the feeling that you are putting your political ambitions first before serving the Chinese community. Please prove me wrong.

TJ said...

for what?? BN is useless nowadays.

CK Loh said...

Datuk, after following your blog for for this short time, I still have the feeling that you are putting your political ambitions first before serving the Chinese community. Please prove me wrong.


Funniman1965 said....

Exactly my sentiments, and I hope to be proved wrong too.

Justin said...

Dr.

how do UMNO see MCA politically in the so called BN? there you go, you just answer yourself.

the Pm may entertain MCA to attend certain major functions publicly, but behind closed door when real negotiations are taking place, MCA has absolutely no say. This isnt how BN works? The position of MCA has deteriorated since the formation of the BN. To many, we chinese has been sold out by MCA big time. IMHO, OKT owes us an apology and he should get down on his knees when/should he apologize.

and now u want to form another coalition with non-UMNO BN parties within BN? This is a stupid idea and for what? what can u achieve? for years UMNO has turned a deaf ear to most MCA/MIC demands or requests... what makes u think UMNO will start listening? in all honesty, how easy do you think the process of forming this coalition be? each has their own agenda and always wants a bigger bite on the cake. Do u honestly think they join the BN to serve the people. COME ON! what do you take us for?
'they' couldn't wait for MCA to make the first wrong move and falls into its demise and u want to form a coalition?

There is only one choice and one choice only if MCA still want to survive. Leave BN and join PR. History may prove me wrong, but MCA is unlikely to be the dominant party representing the malaysia chinese in the foreseeable future.

lastly, I do have some respect for you still and for goodness sake, don't sink with the party... u know damn well what they did to you. Leave them n go independent if joining PR doesn't appeal to you. Choice is simple, to fulfill your political hunger, stay with MCA. To serve the rakyat..... u know what to do.

thanks

Anak Johor said...

Dear Dr. Chua,

I am surprised and shocked to know that 5 years into the meritocracy system, the local universities only have 12% Chinese, 3.2% Indian, and Bumiputra is as high as 79.9%. Does our BN government really practise meritocracy or it is only paying lip service?

MCA has always boasted of high Chinese intake in local universities over the years, what has happened? What is MCA going to do about this and to arrest further decline of non Malays, especially Chinese students in local universities?

The above figures have come from a reply in parliament and cannot be wrong. If this trend were to continue, I seriously doubt the BN is going to get back the confidence and votes of the non Malays in the next general election.

Your reply please.

Anak Johor said...

Dr. Chua,

I notice that you still have the energy and charisma to do a lot of things, but I think you should not be too critical of the current leaders and their policies. Weren't you also part of the team before you relinquished all party posts?

But I do agree that many of the things you say are correct, I hope we have more Chinese leaders like you.

gonduboy said...

Datuk Chua,

I totally agree with you. Not only that, but all the non-Malay BN component parties should close ranks and then leave their UM-NO Tuan who have been lording over them, and try to make Malaysia a more equitable place for all MALAYSIANs.

Cheers, Gonduboy (a Kadazan Malaysian)

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